A Big W for a B.M.W.A.G.
UPDATE: news article here –it just never ends…here is the moronic comment of a prosecutor who just lost. Prosecutors by and large are poor losers. An analogy you might appreciate is that of the marksman. Prosecutors largely shoot fish in a barrel, yet tell you what incredible marksmen they are. It is impossible to be a marksman when you only shoot fish in a barrel. So one Andrew Fox, the prosecutor, after losing (not merely “losing” but consider the implications of “losing”) issues this brilliant statement:
Andrew Fox, who prosecuted the case for the city attorney’s office, said the city disagrees with Mathews’ decision, calling it “an erroneous application of the law.” Fox said the city can’t appeal the decision, but added the city will continue to aid private businesses “in enforcing policies they determine to be necessary and appropriate to the safe and efficient operation of their premises.”
Get the implication of this. The police power of government according to Mr. Fox, will be used to enforce the private policies that they (the business) believes are important… So I hope those of you who own a pizza joint in Norfolk, VA, will start whatever quirky policies you like, so long as you believe that they are “necessary and appropriate” and simply call on the Norfolk P.D. to enforce it for you.
If you have a Quiznos, and the guy takes two containers of the vinaigrette dressing instead of one??? hammer his ass and have him arrested. Andrew Fox will help you. The implications of what dumbass Andrew Fox says are staggering. Perhaps he is a the 25 year old baby lawyer, sent out as the sacrificial lamb, while his boss Bernard Pishko, who is behind this hides under his desk, so maybe he should get some slack…no I think not. Think about that quote…think about that.
So yes they have no intention of stopping what they are doing…
A big win in court today for Danladi Moore. The Norfolk P.D./city sham has failed. The Judge has thrown the case and the charges will be dismissed. They paid him $10,000 for the first tyrannical arrest, let’s see what they pay for this one. You would think the citizens of Norfolk, Virginia would get tired of seeing this kind of thug behavior from their cops. Moreover, you would think they would get tired of paying out taxpayer dollars for absolutely tyrant behavior by the police…repeatedly.
Some historical articles here, here and here
A link to the VCDL’s email alert here
It pays to be a winner. However, I think everyone knows you don’t show a city and it’s storm troopers the err of their way like this without there being pay back. I fear Danladi will again find himself harassed, arrested, or worse. Imagine, as he leaves a council meeting, the subject of which was open carry, supported by other VCDL members and open carriers, peaceably speaking to their elected representatives…only to be arrested after the meeting.
How many ways can Norfolk and its gestapo say F-You to its citizenry? One of the lasting and best (hopefully there are no more to come) images for me of this whole mess is this, from the October Norfolk council meeting.
A cause for panic at the Norfolk City Council
A real pant-shitter I guess for the council tyrants. Imagine…a citizen not a subject. Here is a video of the menacing black man with a gun scaring the beejeebers out of the sheeple city council, prompting them to order his arrest and harassment an hour or two later. Fast forward to about 25 seconds into the clip and the scary Danladi starts berating the council for an outrageously long 1 minute 25 seconds. Better yet watch from the beginning and watch public servant Riddick, apparently bored with having to listen to the peasants.
So yes, what you just saw earned Danladi some payback, another criminal arrest, another violation of his rights. What a threat he is… He also well addresses the usual “macho-man” penis-envy crap that the sheeple bleat. They have no intellectual argument to make so they resort to that.
In the end, Norfolk police are tyrants, prosecutor Bernard Pishko is a tyrannical buffoon, some poetic justice. I hope in a couple of years Bernard and the boys pay up big time in the civil suit.
We’ll see how the media spins it…Congratulations Dan and thank you
February 11, 2009 at 10:14 am
This case was the definition about public versus private property, guns were only an ancillary issue.
As for police enforcing private policies it happens (indirectly) all the time. If I don’t like your behavior I tell you to leave my establishment, if you don’t the police will see to it.
February 11, 2009 at 10:52 am
Please. Don’t hold back. Say what you really feel about these poop stains.
February 11, 2009 at 1:03 pm
“This case was the definition about public versus private property, guns were only an ancillary issue.”
Please. Give me a break. It’s called payback from little minded people who don’t understand the concept of “governing at the consent of the governed” and absolutely cannot bear to have their authority challenged. Much less by people they consider to be whack-gun nuts
Public/private was a legal issue involved, police knew exactly who they were dealing with when they approached him, and not the others who were present doing the same thing.
Guns are the heart of this issue, Norfolk and its government has a problem with armed citizens following the law.
February 11, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Here’s the deal, nothing will stop this until the sonsofbitches doing it pay a price. They don’t pay a price when they use your money to pay settlements. They should be prosecuted by the State’s Attorney, but that won’t happen because he will invoke the doctrine of “qualified immunity”.
Therefore if it must be stopped at the personal expense of the violators, what other course is left? Uh huh!
But these sonsofbitches are too stupid to understand that tolerance runs out when no peaceful recourse is left. That leaves what? Again?
February 12, 2009 at 12:05 am
So, if a Norfolk lunch counter or restaurant owner does not want to serve you because of your skin color, and orders you to leave, the Norfolk Police will come and arrest you if you do not leave?
February 12, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Big man with big words on an internet forum. For your information, the attorney in question is not a prosecutor at all, but a local government attorney with considerable experience in corporate law who understands the complexities of public-private hybrid properties such as Waterside, which like it or not are omnipresent and completely legal (not to mention our federal govt now being a shareholder in several major banks). If you are really a lawyer like you say you are I imagine you have filed a brief stating that a judge committed error – it’s not being a poor loser, it’s being a competent attorney. This issue is far from over, and in all likelihood a judge with more sophistication will validate the ability of a private property manager to enforce a firearms prohibition policy.
This was a property rights case, plain and simple (hard to believe you who are so adamant about rights can’t see that). If the state statute said local governments can’t regulate chewing gum, and Waterside’s private manager prohibited chewing gum, and Dan Moore had been arrested for refusing to leave the premises while chewing gum, it would have been the same case except no one would give a shit. The off duty police officer didn’t know Dan Moore from Adam, didn’t even get there until 10:00, had no idea Dan or any other OCers were having an event there, and was just enforcing the policy put in place by his boss, the mall manager.
OR, you can continue to believe that the 700+ officers of the Norfolk Police Department are all carrying around pictures of Dan Moore with orders to harass him on sight and hopefully provoke him into drawing so they can shoot him in the street like a dog. Conspiracy theories are fun, but paranoia and delusions of grandeur are serious psychological conditions.
February 13, 2009 at 9:31 am
Wow, sorry to hear the lawyer should have known better, I guess it just magnifies the idiocy. I have no doubt when you say it is far from over, Norfolk won’t stop until they have dealt with this non compliant peasant. I guess you must be right, cops never harass anyone without justification and never carry out any retribution against people who defy their divine-right authority and finally never taunt and provoke someone who has pissed them off. You’ll continue to think this way until it is you that the government wants a piece of, then we’ll see if it is all about “property rights” or whatever straw-man they construct. Then you will howl for someone to step up and defend your “property rights”.
February 13, 2009 at 10:48 am
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